Daryl Cagle: Hi, I'm Daryl Cagle, and this is the CagleCast, where
we're all about political cartoons, and today we have two, wonderful
cartoonists, Rick McKee and Hajo Derijer.
Rick is in Florida, and Hajo is in Holland, and we are here to talk
about all of the Trump just got elected horror cartoons, and let's go.
Rick, this is yours, and this is beautiful.
This is just a beautiful cartoon.
I appreciate that.
I love all the details.
I love the caricatures.
I love how there's so much color in it.
I love the way that you drew Washington as just the simplest little thing to
tell you what town the circus is back in.
it's all just beautiful.
Rick McKee: Well, I appreciate that.
I hate drawing a crowd and I hate drawing caricatures in a crowd but, um, When this
all went down, I thought this is, this is the one I had to try to attempt to do.
So, crank that out pretty quick.
Daryl Cagle: all of the cartoons we've been getting since Trump
was elected are horror cartoons.
Even our conservative cartoonists didn't draw any happy gloating cartoons.
You turn on Fox news and Fox news is full of happy gloating.
And it's just surprising to me that that is not something
that happened in cartoons.
Here's your get out of jail free card.
This is
Rick McKee: great.
Well, thanks.
This is the other thought I had was, and I also, so I did this one
immediately after I did that one.
He's not going to be held accountable for anything now and,
uh, it's all just going to go away.
Poof.
Daryl Cagle: you know, we had so much attention to all of those trials
and, they just mean nothing and he was absolutely as successful in his
legal efforts as was possible to be and we were not Getting that from
the news during all of those months.
Rick McKee: Right.
I honestly don't think he even wants to be president again.
I think he just wanted to stay out of jail.
And it was a huge gamble and He got every single break he needed to
get in every single case, uh, with the exception of the New York case.
And now that one's just going to go away.
Daryl Cagle: I think he wants nothing more than to be president.
Rick McKee: Really?
You think so?
Daryl Cagle: His whole reason for being.
Hajo de Reijger: You think so?
but is it, is it true though?
He cannot be prosecuted anymore.
Also not for the New York, no,
Rick McKee: no,
Daryl Cagle: So, Hajo, this is a lovely cartoon.
Hajo de Reijger: is great.
There's a lot of happening in this cartoon, I think.
Now I see it, it's a lots of stuff there.
Rick McKee: It's his return, you know, all the, yeah, all the
craziness that happened along the way.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: Hajo, you're a brilliant Dutch political cartoonist based
in Haarlem in the Netherlands.
You draw for the Dutch daily newspaper, the Handelsblad newspaper, which is a
lovely subscriber to Kegel Cartoons.
So we love your newspaper and you've won a ton of awards
and thank you for being here.
Hajo de Reijger: Thank you.
Daryl Cagle: Rick is the cartoonist for decades for the Augusta Chronicle.
He draws comic strip pluggers and we've syndicated Rick for 20
years and uh, we love you, Rick.
Rick McKee: Well, thank you.
Love you too.
Daryl Cagle: Okay, here's another one you Hajo.
I vomited today.
. Hajo de Reijger: That's great.
Daryl Cagle: What is the mi It was easy.
Why is the MI highlighted?
Hajo de Reijger: Because otherwise you wouldn't see it was, I voted today.
So,
I think
if it was one color, you might have just missed the point there.
Rick McKee: Right.
Daryl Cagle: I did a vomit cartoon.
Hey!
you know, editors don't like vomit.
And, I have, when I've drawn Vomit over the years, I've noticed that, certain
countries really don't like Vomit.
Like Britain.
Britain is really very disturbed by Vomit.
They'll do all these crazy, nasty cartoons, but if it's Vomit,
it's just offensive to them.
Rick McKee: You know, he looks a little bit like R.
F.
K.
Jr.
can you imagine, can you imagine RFK Jr.
having any kind of role?
Daryl Cagle: the two, the two biggest horrors to me are all the people
that are going to die because of RFK Jr's anti vax stuff and, poor
Ukraine being thrown under the bus.
Rick McKee: you saw, uh, I don't know if you saw, but yesterday, the day
before, it was a Washington Post story.
They're asking, uh, Russia, what they thought about the election and they,
you know, they basically said We won.
Yeah.
Russia said that.
Hajo de Reijger: I also saw a little clip of, the Ukrainian guy and he said,
well, we're very happy that, uh, I'm very happy that Trump won because then
the war will end now, but he probably wasn't aware which, which side of the war.
it gonna be?
Daryl Cagle: this is a lovely cartoon.
Hajo, explain it to us.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah, it's maybe a bit difficult, but my intention
was that the first Trump, he trampled the Statue of Liberty.
He trampled America, and the bigger one has to follow, and it's gonna be,
too heavy to carry that load, I think.
Rick McKee: Yeah, the second time is gonna be worse.
Yeah.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: Liberty is facilitating
his moving forward.
Rick McKee: I think against her will.
I think she's being trampled is what you're showing there, right?
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah, yeah, that was my intention.
Rick McKee: That's actually, that's a really beautiful drawing.
Hajo de Reijger: This,
Daryl Cagle: this is an oldie I reposted.
and, interestingly it didn't do as well this time as it did, uh, 2016.
that's really great though.
That's,
Rick McKee: uh,
Hajo de Reijger: yeah, that's
beautiful.
Rick McKee: for, friends who aren't familiar with
Picasso, that's a really nice.
Picasso Guernica,
Daryl Cagle: Yeah, I think lots of cartoonists draw Guernica.
it's kind of like the scream painting.
It's a standard as much horror as you can get into art this is another oldie that
I dusted off from 2016 and This one was like the number two cartoon this week.
The editors really wanted this
Rick McKee: Yeah, that's appropriate.
I mean, it works
Hajo de Reijger: very clear.
Rick McKee: I had, I had several that I was able to sort of dig up and repurpose
a little bit and repost still work.
Daryl Cagle: Yeah, all things old come new again
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah,
Daryl Cagle: this one this one was a big hit as well.
Rick McKee: That's good.
Hajo de Reijger: You
can reuse everything.
Daryl Cagle: It
makes me cry.
This is an oldie I did of Trump the day after he beat Hillary.
And, I thought, we don't have any cartoons that are celebrating Trump.
And those conservative editors are going to be, angry with us again,
and I needed to do something.
So I, put Kamala's head on where Hillary's head was, and I re released this,
and interestingly, nobody printed it.
Not a single newspaper.
Rick McKee: Wow.
It is not.
Why do you suppose that is?
Daryl Cagle: I don't know, because I, I thought the conservative editors would
be, uh, angry with us, and they'd want this, and nobody did, which kind of
surprised
me.
Rick McKee: Well, I saw this, and I thought, I thought
that one's gonna do well.
So I'm, I'm a little bit shocked that it didn't.
what do you think is going on with that?
Daryl Cagle: We've seen such uniformity in, the horror and
disgust of Trump being elected.
this one is kind of a positive Trump cartoon and, well, you
know, more Kamala bashing.
He described her as this terrible monster, but nobody wanted it.
And, you know, I don't, I don't really mind that nobody wanted it.
Hajo de Reijger: But have you seen in, in, any newspapers, the celebrating of Trump?
Daryl Cagle: No, but we see it.
We see it all day long on Fox News and on the other conservative channels.
It's just gloating and kicking the Democrats.
Rick McKee: There's a lot of conservative newspapers in this country,
especially the smaller to medium ones.
Daryl Cagle: this is Dick Wright.
You know how far right Dick Wright is.
This was, pretty soft.
Rick McKee: I think Dick's got a point here.
I was thinking about this election and to me it felt a
lot like the Bud Light boycott.
This was the Bud Light boycott election to me.
You know, it sort of turned into, you know, referendum on this cultural
identity stuff and the far left, as he calls it, the woke stuff.
And I think just average Americans don't want that.
They rejected it, resoundingly.
Daryl Cagle: it was pretty clear all along that Trump was The candidate
for change and Kamala wasn't.
This is another oldie that I resurrected it did really well it
is kind of interesting to see what the editors wanted which was Soft
disappointment among the democrats,
Rick McKee: I think the editors just I think the editors just
want soft everything these days
Daryl Cagle: Uh, this this cartoon is nice , it's basically just we're
going back and uh, that's good.
Yeah it is uh, here is Bart Van Leeuwen.
This will truly be the golden age of America.
there was, a number of smoke cartoons I've found.
I guess everything burning.
This is John Darkow.
Rick McKee: Oh, look at that.
Yeah.
I've seen a couple of those too now that you mention it.
Daryl Cagle: That could just be dark clouds.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah, I saw a lot of clouds cartoons.
Daryl Cagle: Yeah, because everything is so sad.
This one was the most popular one after the election, this Jeff
Koturba must stop doom scrolling.
Rick McKee: That's a great cartoon by Jeff.
I saw that one and I thought, man, I wish I'd thought of that.
That's really That's really good.
Daryl Cagle: again, it's just, a soft cartoon about the people feeling bad,
which is just what the editors wanted.
Rick McKee: But you know, it is, but I think it also taps into what, I know
it was what I was doing going into, I mean, I couldn't, I couldn't stop.
And, uh, same thing for my kids, you know, we just couldn't stop.
Looking at the news every five minutes.
Daryl Cagle: This is Peter Kuper.
and this is his cartoon for Charlie Hebdo.
So this is really a European cartoon.
The American with his red, white, and blue shirt goes in to vote.
He comes out and the cop is turned into a Nazi.
Rick McKee: That's really good.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah.
That's not soft.
Rick McKee: No.
Hajo de Reijger: Not soft at all.
Rick McKee: No.
No.
Well, we have a lot of
Daryl Cagle: cartoons that aren't soft that just weren't too popular.
This is Schot, another Nazi cartoon, and a reference to Elon.
Scary.
Rick McKee: Wow.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: This is, another Dave Whamond cartoon, the Handmaid's Tale.
do you get Handmaid's Tale in Holland?
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
Yes, we do.
Yeah.
I, I have a question though.
because a lot of people in, in Holland, in Europe considered Trump
to be a real fascist, so is it, the same in the, in the states?
Or is he treated more gently or because fascism is quite a thing?
I mean, it's not uh,
Daryl Cagle: you know I did a podcast all about Trump as Hitler.
We had enough cartoons for a whole podcast
Hajo de Reijger: Oh, right.
Okay,
Rick McKee: you know a lot of it depends on who you ask.
I mean,
Hajo de Reijger: of course
Rick McKee: And it's there's not a whole lot of middle ground, you know,
there's not a whole lot of middle ground the people either Think he
was sent by God, to save America or they think he's the next Hitler
Daryl Cagle: The response from Trump is to call Kamala Hitler
Rick McKee: You know, not to mention the fact that he just, he quotes him verbatim,
that, that doesn't help the comparison.
That's a great illustration by Dave, by the way.
It's not his typical style.
It's a little bit more serious.
It
Daryl Cagle: is.
Joe Heller.
You knew we'd get one of the Scream.
Here's Ed Wexler.
Rick McKee: Yeah, that kind of captures it, sums it up, doesn't it?
Again, for half of America.
but I think, I happen to agree with Ed.
Hajo de Reijger: Do you remember the, this great cartoon of eight years ago
when he was first elected president?
It was then the Statue of Liberty waking up and then Trump was lying behind
her in bed and saying, good morning.
You can just use it again.
Daryl Cagle: A lot of these anger cartoons, they don't need any
reference or explanation of the news.
Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: Here's Dave Walmond again.
She's gone to the loss department.
She'd lost her faith in humanity.
Rick McKee: I'm scared.
Hajo de Reijger: A lot of anger and disbelief.
Yeah.
Not many real jokes.
Daryl Cagle: Nothing you have to explain, because this is all we're thinking about.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah.
Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: This is Joep Bertrams.
Rick McKee: Wow.
Look at that.
Daryl Cagle: Your Holland colleague.
Hajo de Reijger: Yes.
What is that?
Okay.
Let's stop for just a minute.
That's quite an image..
He looks kind of like a
You know, you talk about those Garrison cartoons, he's got the huge muscles
like the, wrestling guys, and I drew him with huge muscles in 2016.
and this I guess is just a variation on that.
Rick McKee: Okay, because he looks kind of like the character from
Dune, you know, the really, I can't remember, Baron Harkonnen, and I'm
just wondering Where the resurrection ties in I guess he's just you know
showing him triumphantly returning, but he's just he's so grotesque I
Daryl Cagle: think He's so imposing
Rick McKee: yeah,
Daryl Cagle: this is from Taylor Jones, he's got the birds flying and
One bird says gonna miss you guys.
I can't wait until we meet up again and another one says who says we're coming
back There is all of this interest in, uh, moving out of the country now.
This is
Hajo de Reijger: really,
Daryl Cagle: I thought this was funny, this is from, Terry
Mosher, Aislin, in Montreal.
And he shows his modest Canadian home with an extension for all his
friends who want to live with us.
Moving to Canada.
Rick McKee: I just saw a bunch of people inquiring about, moving
to Canada, moving to New Zealand.
Like the percentages on Google are up like 1600 percent over our last year,
you know, Google searches and inquiries, At embassies and things like that.
The immigration office.
Daryl Cagle: Is this all they're talking about in Holland, Hajo?
Hajo de Reijger: It is, yes.
maybe less than, last time it's not really an American situation anymore.
It's also a danger to Europe.
Because, If he, if he decides to, to ban NATO, to move out NATO, it's,
it's going to be quite a problem.
Then we're, you know, as Europe, not, not strong anymore.
Daryl Cagle: Well, it's not just, NATO.
He's, uh, he's focused on China, but he is equally focused on tariffs on Europe,
talks about Europe eating our lunch
Hajo de Reijger: I don't know for the whole trade.
we don't know what to expect, we can imagine, for instance, that Putin,
can do whatever he wants, you know, he can just push through to Poland or
whatever there's no one to call him back.
Rick McKee: The whole world is in danger, there's no doubt.
Daryl Cagle: I guess this is, imposing news for all of the world.
This is Steve Nease.
Rick McKee: Yeah,
Daryl Cagle: that's great.
Jimmy Margulies drew the only RFK Jr.
cartoon.
and I feel like this is one of the biggest horrible things that has happened.
RFK Jr., if you took RFK Jr.
out of the equation, Trump would be, uh, 20 percent better.
Rick McKee: You think?
there's no doubt.
I was having this debate with somebody yesterday and they were saying he would
never get confirmation in the Senate.
And, I said, you know, some of these, Informal advisors are the worst ones.
You know that they don't have to get confirmation.
And, you know, if he makes them health care czar or something like that
doesn't have to have confirmation.
And who, who will the giant influence?
Daryl Cagle: We were just talking about Putin.
Why is this man smiling?
John Darkow draws.
we've gotten remarkably few cartoons about Putin.
I don't think we have, except for this, not a single thing about Ukraine.
I
Rick McKee: threw some of those little references in that initial cartoon.
I tried to lump everybody in.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah, you did.
Everyone was there.
It was a nice cartoon, yeah.
What about Musk?
Did you receive lots of cartoons about Musk?
Daryl Cagle: Earlier I did a podcast on Musk.
We had enough for a whole podcast on Musk Here's Bill Day drawing
climate change is real boom.
So is Donald Trump with a big crater in the earth this was the only cartoon about
climate change and this is a big major Trump thing he's gonna drill as much
oil as he possibly can and he's gonna drop all the climate change treaties
Rick McKee: You know, I think in a situation like this, when you have
a news event happen like this, it's so huge and has so many impacts.
I know for myself, you just, you go, where do you begin?
You know, where do you begin?
And you can't draw everything at once.
And so I think cartoonists are trying to show that initial reaction
best way they can to sum it up.
And then they have like, that's what I said on my Facebook.
I said, Whoa, a giant shipment of, uh, cartoon material just arrived.
And sort of have to pick and choose.
Where you want to start and, um, just go down the list, you know, and I think
we'll see, more things about all these various issues, Putin and Ukraine and
climate change and the world and RFK.
I think, everybody's just a little bit stunned still.
Daryl Cagle: every issue through the lens of Trump.
This is Andy Singer, and this was the only impact on the Middle East cartoon
that has come to us since the election.
He draws AIPAC, the Jewish lobby, and Netanyahu with puppets of Trump and
Harris, and they are both saying, I support Israel's right to defend itself.
And Netanyahu says, we won.
I don't think this is one that's going to get printed either.
You know, when I was giving all those speeches for the State Department
around the world, I would get questions about what kind of directions I get
as a cartoonist from the Jewish lobby.
it was impossible for them to think that we, we are not getting
our, our talking points, crazy.
Hajo de Reijger: Well, crazy, but this, in Holland, we had some, um, real.
Issues, uh, cartoonists that were, Israel critics, they got in
trouble by, by the Israel lobby.
They were sued and so on.
Daryl Cagle: Sued?
How?
Sued for what?
Hajo de Reijger: For, for, uh, anti Semitism, for instance.
And it was dropped, but still they tried to sue, uh, for,
uh, Jos Collignon, you know?
Daryl Cagle: He got sued for
anti Semitism?
Hajo de Reijger: But they dropped it because it was,
it didn't hold in court, but,
Rick McKee: We don't really have anti Semitism laws like that.
Daryl Cagle: No, but it's all through Europe, and, that's one of
the big arguments about, free press.
I don't think we could have a law like that
. Here is Patrick Chappatte from Switzerland.
Trump says we have so much on our plate for the next four years as
he's got his long list of enemies.
Rick McKee: Yeah, I think that's definitely true.
I don't think we cartoonists are high enough on his list to have to worry about
things, but I do wonder if they might change You know, some first amendment
laws for like TV stations and, sort of equal time stuff or, or that might apply
to newspapers or, how yanking the license of some of these TV stations, you know, I
could really see some of that happening.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah,
Daryl Cagle: there's a lot of talk on the right about trying to get rid
of New York Times versus Sullivan, which is what protects satire.
That is scary, but I think you're right.
Trump has never really, shown any interest or concern about cartoons.
You remember Nixon and his enemies list.
He had Paul Conrad up on the enemies list.
he cared a lot about cartoons, but, uh, this guy that doesn't care about cartoons.
Rick McKee: Yeah,
Daryl Cagle: this is from Emad Hajjaj, The World of Trump.
Rick McKee: Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.
This is a kind of a crazy one from Emad's brother, Osama, with Trump
as the Roman emperor and liberty has slain the Democrats and Kamala I
don't know what to think of that.
Hajo de Reijger: No.
Rick McKee: Yeah, I think, I think maybe he doesn't understand
the concept of liberty.
As as our symbol, I'm not saying he doesn't understand liberty.
I mean her as our symbol
Hajo de Reijger: Maybe it's about democracy, right?
And then the right to vote and the way of voting and then
Rick McKee: that would make more sense Yeah,
Daryl Cagle: yeah, here's from Aaron Van Dam.
This was the only cartoon we got about the threat to the EU.
There was nothing about NATO.
I kind of expected that from the European cartoonists.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: Interesting.
We didn't get it.
Hajo de Reijger: we'll come later.
It's not clear what, what the impact is, so we still have to kind of
look for angles to, specialize it.
All the troubles we're in.
Rick McKee: Yeah.
It's coming.
I think it's coming.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: This is from Bart Van Lewen.
I thought this was cute.
Rick McKee: Yeah.
He's the cartoonist that uses AI, right?
Daryl Cagle: Yes, he does use AI.
Hajo de Reijger: Oh, yeah,
Rick McKee: i'm just i'm a little bit because I play with AI.
I don't use it in my work But um, he's able to get a really
consistent style out of out of it I'm, not sure how he's doing it.
Daryl Cagle: Well, his style looked very much like this before
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah, I think it's Photoshop.
It's he's using Photoshop Not AI so much, I think.
Daryl Cagle: Well, he told me that he does the faces, as he always did, and
he does AI for almost everything else.
Hajo de Reijger: Ah, okay.
Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: He tells you that on our podcast that you should have listened to.
Hajo de Reijger: Of course.
Rick McKee: We knew him good.
Yes, he did.
I think we were We were all a little quiet.
Daryl Cagle: So here's a Bill Day, view of the White House.
big sign that says, well, it's all about me again.
And inside they're saying, what?
Sorry, Joe Trump's workmen arrived early today.
Put up the big sign.
Here's another one that's basically the same from Adam Zyglis.
Rick McKee: I thought that was great.
When I saw that, I was like, yeah,
Daryl Cagle: that's very clever.
It is.
It's got America.
Rick McKee: Yeah, that was another one of those.
Why didn't I think of that one?
Daryl Cagle: Yeah.
Very nice.
Rick McKee: Curse you, Adam Zyglis.
Here's Monty Wolverton.
Trump says, I think government will be my loyalty machine.
Isn't it beautiful?
I think Monty just wanted to draw this.
Hajo de Reijger: I think so.
Yeah.
Here is Pat Byrnes, and, Uncle Sam is washing his hands, and
in the mirror, the mirror says, You had ten years to understand
the consequences of this choice.
You can never wash your hands of it.
What do you think of that?
Nice watercolor.
Rick McKee: Yeah, it's a nice, it's a little heavy handed, I'm not,
you know, I mean, uh, That's right.
I don't disagree with the sentiment of it at all.
he's certainly, he's certainly right.
Daryl Cagle: We're all so bitter.
This is one that I did, kicking out the pollsters.
Rick McKee: I was going to say, That's been one of the ones I've been toying
with doing is a pollster cartoon.
Have you gotten many of those?
Cause that's great.
And that really,
Daryl Cagle: no, this was the only one.
And the pollsters were so wrong.
That's the story, isn't it?
Isn't that the story of this election?
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: such a large percentage of the news over the last Two
years, three years has been what are the polls saying today?
And they just talk endlessly about it and it has all been wrong.
All
of it.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah, they were that they knew that that
Trump was already ahead, right?
Rick McKee: No,
Hajo de Reijger: a bit.
Rick McKee: No, no, they were calling.
I mean, they were saying it was a coin flip, but they had her.
Daryl Cagle: They had her marginally ahead up until the last, when
they said it was too close to call
Rick McKee: and then they didn't, they certainly weren't calling
for this landslide that happened.
Hajo de Reijger: No big difference.
Rick McKee: It was a huge, well, I mean, the pollsters and the
media totally blew it totally.
Daryl Cagle: Even in the details, there's all this talk about all the
different minority groups Always going with the Democrats and they
didn't contradict any of that.
They didn't see the minority groups moving over to Trump
Rick McKee: they missed everything
Daryl Cagle: that that's fascinating and you know that calls into question I think
the whole notion of what the democrats define themselves as if the minorities
are all with the Republicans, what are the Democrats, what do they have left?
Who are they?
Rick McKee: Yeah, it's going to take some real soul searching, and, I
think if they move farther left, they can kiss these elections goodbye.
I think they're going to have to moderate some and come back towards the center
if they ever want to hold office again.
And there's one caveat, which is Also possibility, which is Trump in this
crowd could destroy things so badly that the pendulum will just swing back.
Daryl Cagle: you would vote for the Democrats only because you're
voting against the Republicans,
Rick McKee: right?
In the future.
Yes.
Possibly that could, that could happen.
I, I don't know, you know, who, who, I don't, my crystal
ball is broken right now.
So
Hajo de Reijger: are there many people, uh, was it, many people voting this year?
Yeah.
More than other, other elections.
Rick McKee: Well, I don't know.
They're saying, you know, they're talking about this 20 million figure
that Biden got that did not show up for Harris and everybody's trying to figure
out who they were and where that went.
Do you have any ideas about that?
Daryl Cagle: where else would more support from, for Trump come from, comes from
people who didn't vote for him before.
Rick McKee: Yeah.
I, yeah, maybe that's where they went.
I'll have to revisit that.
I have a hard time believing that's where they went though.
I can't, maybe, I don't know.
They had to go somewhere, I
Daryl Cagle: guess.
Hajo de Reijger: I think it's, uh, well, like we said before, it's still
hard to, to grasp this whole situation.
And we see a lot of anger in the cartoons, and a lot of frustration and despair.
Not real jokes yet.
Not real good laughing jokes, but we still have to see what's what's
coming our way to what this implies.
Daryl Cagle: Well, very large percentage of the country is very happy right now.
Rick McKee: Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: Republicans are gleeful.
Fox News is a ongoing celebration.
we're not seeing.
A trace of that in the cartoon.
It's not a trace.
That's odd.
Hajo de Reijger: But I'm a bit happy because, I've seen
the background with Rick.
He has a toilet roll of Trump
Daryl Cagle: oh!
Steve Sack!
Rick McKee: I have my Steve Sack, uh This will never happen, but I have it.
I have Trump in jail, so at least I've got that.
Isn't that a wonderful thing?
By the brilliant Steve Sack.
Daryl Cagle: Steve is doing sculptures now on his computer and his 3D printer.
And, It's just a wonderful thing.
So gentlemen, that is the end.
Any last comments?
Rick McKee: I think we gotta, I think we're going to keep our sense of humor.
You know, I think it's up to us to try to, um, try to sort of be a beacon.
and, uh, we can make our points and.
Stay funny and um, try to stay positive and don't let this
ruin our lives if we can help it
Hajo de Reijger: Exactly.
I think you said it very well.
We have to make lots of stuff and then that is what makes us happy, right?
Yeah
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